Comments on: Moral Turpitude In The Little Leagues http://www.themightymjd.com/2006/08/10/moral-turpitude-in-the-little-leagues/ slangin' knowledge... since 2003. Sun, 04 Jul 2010 20:59:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Paul http://www.themightymjd.com/2006/08/10/moral-turpitude-in-the-little-leagues/#comment-16315 Paul Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:28:16 +0000 http://www.themightymjd.com/2006/08/10/moral-turpitude-in-the-little-leagues/#comment-16315 If we as human beings let Children be children, and not extentions of ourselves, everything will be fine. When the coach made the decision to walk the good hitter to get to the poor hitter, he took the game away from his players and kept it for the adults. Wining a stupid game, no matter what kind of game it is, is not "at all cost"! The coach should have let the kids play the game themselves. Coaches should guide their players, and teach them fairness instead of wining at all cost. Sure, wining is fun but at who's expense? I've been on both sides of this issue when I was in Little League and I've come to the conclussion that we should guide the kids on the fundamentals and rules of the game but we should allow them to play the games. When we allow them to make decisions(good or bad) on the field at least they were able to make the decision. I would much prefer that my children be taught to make a decision on their own rather than having a coach decide how they will play. If we as human beings let Children be children, and not extentions of ourselves, everything will be fine. When the coach made the decision to walk the good hitter to get to the poor hitter, he took the game away from his players and kept it for the adults. Wining a stupid game, no matter what kind of game it is, is not “at all cost”! The coach should have let the kids play the game themselves. Coaches should guide their players, and teach them fairness instead of wining at all cost. Sure, wining is fun but at who’s expense? I’ve been on both sides of this issue when I was in Little League and I’ve come to the conclussion that we should guide the kids on the fundamentals and rules of the game but we should allow them to play the games. When we allow them to make decisions(good or bad) on the field at least they were able to make the decision. I would much prefer that my children be taught to make a decision on their own rather than having a coach decide how they will play.

]]> By: Will http://www.themightymjd.com/2006/08/10/moral-turpitude-in-the-little-leagues/#comment-15851 Will Thu, 17 Aug 2006 05:20:24 +0000 http://www.themightymjd.com/2006/08/10/moral-turpitude-in-the-little-leagues/#comment-15851 Situations like this are where the coach is screwed. As the coach, if you walk the hitter, you put your team in a better spot to win. If you pitch to the hitter, you are jeopardizing your teams chances to win. If i was the kid, I would rather be treated like any one else would have. I would have been given the once in a lifetime opportunity to win a world series game. I think it's the parents fault for wanting their child to fit in, yet when he tries to, they make a scene of it. If I'm the coach, I do the same thing. Situations like this are where the coach is screwed. As the coach, if you walk the hitter, you put your team in a better spot to win. If you pitch to the hitter, you are jeopardizing your teams chances to win.

If i was the kid, I would rather be treated like any one else would have. I would have been given the once in a lifetime opportunity to win a world series game. I think it’s the parents fault for wanting their child to fit in, yet when he tries to, they make a scene of it. If I’m the coach, I do the same thing.

]]> By: BobH http://www.themightymjd.com/2006/08/10/moral-turpitude-in-the-little-leagues/#comment-15602 BobH Mon, 14 Aug 2006 19:35:16 +0000 http://www.themightymjd.com/2006/08/10/moral-turpitude-in-the-little-leagues/#comment-15602 Pattmc (#9) writes: "I think it’s pretty dumb to let a 9 year old’s little league game be decided by the “genious” of the adult coaches." It's deliciously ironic when some starts talking about someone else's "genious." Pattmc (#9) writes: “I think it’s pretty dumb to let a 9 year old’s little league game be decided by the “genious” of the adult coaches.”

It’s deliciously ironic when some starts talking about someone else’s “genious.”

]]> By: jutter http://www.themightymjd.com/2006/08/10/moral-turpitude-in-the-little-leagues/#comment-15592 jutter Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:12:05 +0000 http://www.themightymjd.com/2006/08/10/moral-turpitude-in-the-little-leagues/#comment-15592 I think this is all entirely hypocritical. What if the kid with cancer would have drove in the winning run? Everybody would have praised the coach for walking the good player to give the cancer survivor a chance to win the game and this would have turned into the next J-Mac story. There were 2 outs in the game anyways. If you get the good hitter out then the cancer survivor never gets to bat then someone would critsize the coach because he didnt walk the good hitter and give the cancer survivor a chance to hit. The man was in a no win situation and I think he did the right thing. He won the game for his kids and the little kid got to do what every kid his age dreams of and win the game. I dont think you could have gave that kid anything better. I mean just imagine how disappointed he would have been if the game would have ended with him in the on deck circle. I think this is all entirely hypocritical. What if the kid with cancer would have drove in the winning run? Everybody would have praised the coach for walking the good player to give the cancer survivor a chance to win the game and this would have turned into the next J-Mac story.

There were 2 outs in the game anyways. If you get the good hitter out then the cancer survivor never gets to bat then someone would critsize the coach because he didnt walk the good hitter and give the cancer survivor a chance to hit.

The man was in a no win situation and I think he did the right thing. He won the game for his kids and the little kid got to do what every kid his age dreams of and win the game. I dont think you could have gave that kid anything better. I mean just imagine how disappointed he would have been if the game would have ended with him in the on deck circle.

]]> By: the mighty mjd http://www.themightymjd.com/2006/08/10/moral-turpitude-in-the-little-leagues/#comment-15536 the mighty mjd Mon, 14 Aug 2006 02:54:01 +0000 http://www.themightymjd.com/2006/08/10/moral-turpitude-in-the-little-leagues/#comment-15536 You're right about the personal info that was posted... I deleted those comments, and I probably should've done so sooner. I'm sorry about that. I appreciate your post. You’re right about the personal info that was posted… I deleted those comments, and I probably should’ve done so sooner. I’m sorry about that.

I appreciate your post.

]]> By: Keems http://www.themightymjd.com/2006/08/10/moral-turpitude-in-the-little-leagues/#comment-15533 Keems Mon, 14 Aug 2006 02:32:55 +0000 http://www.themightymjd.com/2006/08/10/moral-turpitude-in-the-little-leagues/#comment-15533 This is Bob Farley's wife. Let me clear up a couple of things. The only reason my husband coaches baseball is because he had a great coach as a kid and wants to pass it on. He has a rep as a positive coach who concentrates on fun AND skill. This championship game was very competitive on both sides and for both the boys and their families. There have been a lot of untruths reported and I won't go into them. The bottom line is the call had nothing to do with the next hitter. Jordan had already hit a homer and a triple in that game and Bob felt an obligation to his team to coach them to a win. That's his job as coach. Walking the hitter was the only issue, it had nothing to do with whomever was on deck. This is a non-story that has been stirred up by the losing coach and Romney's parents. Bob and Shaun are good men and have families and I look forward to this going away. And P.S. it's pretty low to publish a link to someone's personal info. Shaun's sweet wife is beside herself. This is Bob Farley’s wife. Let me clear up a couple of things. The only reason my husband coaches baseball is because he had a great coach as a kid and wants to pass it on. He has a rep as a positive coach who concentrates on fun AND skill. This championship game was very competitive on both sides and for both the boys and their families. There have been a lot of untruths reported and I won’t go into them. The bottom line is the call had nothing to do with the next hitter. Jordan had already hit a homer and a triple in that game and Bob felt an obligation to his team to coach them to a win. That’s his job as coach. Walking the hitter was the only issue, it had nothing to do with whomever was on deck. This is a non-story that has been stirred up by the losing coach and Romney’s parents. Bob and Shaun are good men and have families and I look forward to this going away. And P.S. it’s pretty low to publish a link to someone’s personal info. Shaun’s sweet wife is beside herself.

]]> By: lozo http://www.themightymjd.com/2006/08/10/moral-turpitude-in-the-little-leagues/#comment-15484 lozo Sun, 13 Aug 2006 01:45:56 +0000 http://www.themightymjd.com/2006/08/10/moral-turpitude-in-the-little-leagues/#comment-15484 as i said in my rambling on this, if it's non-competitive as it claims to be, why is there a "championship" game then? as i said in my rambling on this, if it’s non-competitive as it claims to be, why is there a “championship” game then?

]]> By: Marc http://www.themightymjd.com/2006/08/10/moral-turpitude-in-the-little-leagues/#comment-15474 Marc Sat, 12 Aug 2006 21:06:59 +0000 http://www.themightymjd.com/2006/08/10/moral-turpitude-in-the-little-leagues/#comment-15474 As much of a dickrag as the Yanks manager was, what was the other teams manager thinking with that lineup? Who backs up their best hitter with their worst? As much of a dickrag as the Yanks manager was, what was the other teams manager thinking with that lineup? Who backs up their best hitter with their worst?

]]> By: Coach Paul http://www.themightymjd.com/2006/08/10/moral-turpitude-in-the-little-leagues/#comment-15470 Coach Paul Sat, 12 Aug 2006 19:29:47 +0000 http://www.themightymjd.com/2006/08/10/moral-turpitude-in-the-little-leagues/#comment-15470 It is irrelevant as to the condition of the boy on deck. At the Little League level it's all out war and walking the big bat is baseball. Cancer survivor is not a good excuse (bless his soul). To the coach that made the intentional walk decision - kudos. To the father of the son on deck....GROW UP...it's only going to get tougher if he plays more baseball. It's all fun and games until you reach Bantam Level! It is irrelevant as to the condition of the boy on deck. At the Little League level it’s all out war and walking the big bat is baseball. Cancer survivor is not a good excuse (bless his soul). To the coach that made the intentional walk decision – kudos. To the father of the son on deck….GROW UP…it’s only going to get tougher if he plays more baseball. It’s all fun and games until you reach Bantam Level!

]]> By: ollie http://www.themightymjd.com/2006/08/10/moral-turpitude-in-the-little-leagues/#comment-15464 ollie Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:10:39 +0000 http://www.themightymjd.com/2006/08/10/moral-turpitude-in-the-little-leagues/#comment-15464 Thats good stuff there. That coach was an idiot to walk him b/c its a stupid pony league game.. its not like its the WS. check out olliessportstalk.blogspot.com for more sports news. Thats good stuff there. That coach was an idiot to walk him b/c its a stupid pony league game.. its not like its the WS.

check out olliessportstalk.blogspot.com for more sports news.

]]> By: Mark http://www.themightymjd.com/2006/08/10/moral-turpitude-in-the-little-leagues/#comment-15458 Mark Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:23:54 +0000 http://www.themightymjd.com/2006/08/10/moral-turpitude-in-the-little-leagues/#comment-15458 I think MJD broke it down perfectly. If this was the pros, it'd be different. It isn't though, and I say pitch to the slugger. I know that it's important to teach kids that life's not always fair and sometimes you end up being like a bug on a windshield going 70 mph. However, when the kid has cancer, um, I think it's safe to assume that he already gets that point. No need to make it worse (and seeing how upset he was, it certainly was made worse). And on the issue of competitiveness: I agree with those who say "You think you deserve the title? Strike the slugger out and earn it." That is competitive enough. I think MJD broke it down perfectly. If this was the pros, it’d be different. It isn’t though, and I say pitch to the slugger.

I know that it’s important to teach kids that life’s not always fair and sometimes you end up being like a bug on a windshield going 70 mph. However, when the kid has cancer, um, I think it’s safe to assume that he already gets that point. No need to make it worse (and seeing how upset he was, it certainly was made worse).

And on the issue of competitiveness: I agree with those who say “You think you deserve the title? Strike the slugger out and earn it.” That is competitive enough.

]]> By: rory http://www.themightymjd.com/2006/08/10/moral-turpitude-in-the-little-leagues/#comment-15442 rory Sat, 12 Aug 2006 00:05:53 +0000 http://www.themightymjd.com/2006/08/10/moral-turpitude-in-the-little-leagues/#comment-15442 Most news stories I've read don't mention that the non-competitive rules were suspended in the championship and I really think that does a disservice. This is a great topic of sports debate, and as your opinion hinges on the competitiveness of this game so does many other peoples. There's also the additional controversy of whether or not the coach on deck knew the kid had cancer. Moreover, why would there even be a championship game in a non-competive league? I wouldn't have walked the kid because I'm a pansy but I'm not upset that this coach did. Most news stories I’ve read don’t mention that the non-competitive rules were suspended in the championship and I really think that does a disservice. This is a great topic of sports debate, and as your opinion hinges on the competitiveness of this game so does many other peoples.

There’s also the additional controversy of whether or not the coach on deck knew the kid had cancer. Moreover, why would there even be a championship game in a non-competive league?

I wouldn’t have walked the kid because I’m a pansy but I’m not upset that this coach did.

]]> By: ScottR. http://www.themightymjd.com/2006/08/10/moral-turpitude-in-the-little-leagues/#comment-15436 ScottR. Fri, 11 Aug 2006 20:53:03 +0000 http://www.themightymjd.com/2006/08/10/moral-turpitude-in-the-little-leagues/#comment-15436 My first reaction to this story was that the Coach who intentionally walked the good kid to pitch to the sick kid was an a-hole. And he may well be. But part of me also thinks that if the sick kid is going to go out there, it isn't right to treat him with kid gloves- after all, he is out there, supposedly, because he wants to be treated as an equal. It seems like some people want it both ways. They want the sick kid to enjoy competition, but want others to cut him some slack because he's sick. In a way, the Coach may have done that kid some good by treating him like any other kid who can't hit. Having said all that, I can say for certain that I would not have intentionally walked the one kid to pitch to the sick kid. My first reaction to this story was that the Coach who intentionally walked the good kid to pitch to the sick kid was an a-hole. And he may well be. But part of me also thinks that if the sick kid is going to go out there, it isn’t right to treat him with kid gloves- after all, he is out there, supposedly, because he wants to be treated as an equal.

It seems like some people want it both ways. They want the sick kid to enjoy competition, but want others to cut him some slack because he’s sick. In a way, the Coach may have done that kid some good by treating him like any other kid who can’t hit.

Having said all that, I can say for certain that I would not have intentionally walked the one kid to pitch to the sick kid.

]]> By: Keith http://www.themightymjd.com/2006/08/10/moral-turpitude-in-the-little-leagues/#comment-15415 Keith Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:57:10 +0000 http://www.themightymjd.com/2006/08/10/moral-turpitude-in-the-little-leagues/#comment-15415 Here' is a story I wrote on the whole Little League/Other League thing. http://www.keepmecurrent.com/Sports/story.cfm?storyID=21377 Little League is a baseball sanctioning body, think MLB. They have such a hold on the brand that is youth baseball, people associate all youth baseball with the name. However, there is also Cal Ripken and Pony Leauges. All the leagues offer for age groups ranging from 5-18. Little Leagues "major league" the one you have all heard of, plays to the World Series in Williamsport (starting today on ESPN at 7 p.m. if you haven't heard). Cal Ripken baseball offers a league with the same age group, but they play to a World Series in Maryland. Cal Ripken used to be Bambino Baseball. It is a part of Babe Ruth, Inc., another league you may have heard of. Here’ is a story I wrote on the whole Little League/Other League thing.

http://www.keepmecurrent.com/Sports/story.cfm?storyID=21377

Little League is a baseball sanctioning body, think MLB. They have such a hold on the brand that is youth baseball, people associate all youth baseball with the name. However, there is also Cal Ripken and Pony Leauges.

All the leagues offer for age groups ranging from 5-18. Little Leagues “major league” the one you have all heard of, plays to the World Series in Williamsport (starting today on ESPN at 7 p.m. if you haven’t heard). Cal Ripken baseball offers a league with the same age group, but they play to a World Series in Maryland.

Cal Ripken used to be Bambino Baseball. It is a part of Babe Ruth, Inc., another league you may have heard of.

]]> By: JoeyJoeJoeJuniorShabadoo http://www.themightymjd.com/2006/08/10/moral-turpitude-in-the-little-leagues/#comment-15413 JoeyJoeJoeJuniorShabadoo Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:47:48 +0000 http://www.themightymjd.com/2006/08/10/moral-turpitude-in-the-little-leagues/#comment-15413 I don't see what this kid being a cancer survivor has to do with anything. If he's in the game, then he gets treated like a normal kid. If his parents want him to be treated like a sick kid, then he doesn't play baseball with normal kids. You can't have it both ways. From reading the article, though, it seems like he shouldn't have been on the field in the first place. Someone else mentioned this already, but the kid would've been in serious, life-threatening shit if he'd have gotten injured. It's irresponsible of the parents to expose him to that sort of stuff. I get that they want to make him feel like a normal kid, and that's all well and good, but if your son's obviously very abnormal, then don't force the issue. I don’t see what this kid being a cancer survivor has to do with anything. If he’s in the game, then he gets treated like a normal kid. If his parents want him to be treated like a sick kid, then he doesn’t play baseball with normal kids. You can’t have it both ways.

From reading the article, though, it seems like he shouldn’t have been on the field in the first place. Someone else mentioned this already, but the kid would’ve been in serious, life-threatening shit if he’d have gotten injured. It’s irresponsible of the parents to expose him to that sort of stuff. I get that they want to make him feel like a normal kid, and that’s all well and good, but if your son’s obviously very abnormal, then don’t force the issue.

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